Tue, 08/10/2021 - 07:13
Hi!
I am trying to make a time series with V0627 Peg, and now I can dissolve the target from the very close companion. However, I need to manually move the aperture in VPhot to just include the target. But when I reload the image or load another image, that adjustment is lost (even though I have saved the sequence AND set search radius to 1 pixel). How then do I make this adjustment "stick" so I can use it in a time series?
Magnus
Magnus, if you would share one of your best images with HQA, I'd appreciate it. I can't give you any help with VPHOT, but I'm very interested in seeing a current-epoch image of this field.
In VSP, you can select a DSS image for this target. However, as in the case of many CVs, this comes with a bunch of caveats. CVs are generally intrinsically faint (except in outburst), and so they tend to be very close to us. For V627, the parallax indicates a distance of around 100pc. Because of this, they also tend to have high proper motion, as any relative velocity with respect to the Sun will show up easily. For V627, it is moving about 0.1arcsec per year to the northeast.
The DSS comes from scans of Palomar plates from the 1950's. Therefore, the time difference between when the plates were taken and current date is about 60 years. At 0.1arcsec/year, this means V627 Peg has moved about 6 arcsec from the position shown on the DSS. The DSS shows the variable to the SW of a companion star. The current view is more likely that V627 Peg is to the E or NE of the companion star, basically reversing the view you see in the DSS.
We recommend using the DSS to give a realistic view of the sky, as the star catalogs (UCAC, USNO-A) that are used for the dot-plot representation do have some missing stars or phantom stars that can confuse the observer (we've found a few dozen over the years, so it is not a big effect). However, you can see from this example that the DSS is not a perfect solution. It would be nice to replace the DSS with a modern-epoch all-sky survey!
When V627 Peg was recently in outburst at V=9.8, the companion was not a problem, as it is V~15.1 and therefore contributed less than 0.01mag to the total. Now, when V627 Peg has faded back to quiescence, you have to be careful about the companion. This problem also occurs for novae, which preferentially occur in the galactic plane with lots of crowding.
For photometry of V627 Peg, there are four basic methods that I know of. Others might know more.
- increase your aperture size and include both the variable and its companion. This has the advantage of simplicity. If you know the magnitude of the companion, it can be subtracted from the measurement by using a tool such as the spreadsheet Nemesis, written by Lew Cook and available on the AAVSO web site. You can submit the combined magnitude rather than splitting out the companion, but if you do, please add a note to the submitted magnitude that tells the researcher that this is a combined magnitude. Your combined magnitude measure will likely be 0.1mag or more brighter than someone who removed the companion, but it is ok as long as you tell people about the process.
- use a very small aperture and try to just measure the variable. Depending on how close the companion is, and seeing conditions, you may or may not be able to get a clean measure of the variable, as flux from the companion is likely to contaminate the measurement in an inconsistent way. It may not be possible to do this with a time series with VPHOT; Ken or George can give you some guidance.
- use an analytical means to split the two stars. One common method is psf-fitting, where an analytical model of a star profile (like a Gaussian) is fit to both the variable and its companion simultaneously, thereby giving good photometry of both stars. This works best when both stars are well exposed (high S/N), and you have a very fine pixel scale that gives several pixels across the FWHM.
- use an analytical method called image subtraction. This technique takes a reference image, and then subtracts each image of the time series from the reference image, scaled so that the background stars are cleanly subtracted out, leaving just the difference of the variable's brightness between the reference image and the time series image. This is a very effective technique, but more complex than the other methods listed above.
To get good magnitudes for the companion, you could use a good-seeing telescope such as TMO61 of the AAVSOnet robotic telescope network. It often has seeing around 1arcsec. If you are an AAVSO member, you can just submit an AAVSOnet proposal to get an image set or two.
Arne
Hi!
Thanks a lot!! I now have shared not just one but a few images with you. As you can see, they are not clearly resolved, but there is clearly two and not one centers in the ADU map. What I have done previously, is to move the aperture manually to only include the target. That has worked well, I think, when the target is weaker than the companion, because then they are clearly separated. But now it is more tricky. And that is not a way to do time series...
Looking at my images, how would you suggest I report these? It is from a short time series (10 exposures in B, V and I), cut short by clouds. But my plan is to keep observing this one until the end of August. If possible, doing time series.
I can not find the Nemesis spreadsheet here - you have any closer idea on where to look?
Magnus
Hi Magnus,
Nemesis used to be easy to find on the website, but the path is now convoluted. Here is the direct link to the right page:
https://www.aavso.org/software-directory
and scroll down to the "Observing Aids" section.
When you have two close stars, you can often adjust the contrast so that the two stars appear to be separated. However, only the peaks are separated. The wings of the star profiles overlap, and so any measuring aperture will include light from both stars. If you can find a reliable magnitude for the companion, then I'd suggest trying Nemesis. I'll look at your images and give any other hints that I can, in a day or so.
Arne
Hi Magnus,
Those are nice images with decent fwhm, if your telescope is in Malmoe. I measure about 2.3arcsec. The two stars are about 3.6 arcsec separation, and with V627 Peg now on the east side of the companion star due to proper motion. If we wait another 60 years, then measuring the two stars separately will be simple. :)
The wings of the two star profiles overlap. It is best to either do psf-fitting (complex), report both together with a note, or else use Nemesis if you have a good magnitude in B or V for the companion star. If you report the combined magnitude, it will be ~0.1mag brighter than for the variable itself, and will dilute any variation in the variable, but things like period determination will still work.
Arne
Thanks a lot, I greatly…
Hi!
Thanks a lot, I greatly appreciate you looking at them and your advice! And yes, my telescope is in my back yard in Malmoe. Suburban, light polluted, but comfortable and easily to handle than remote operations. And I do believe I can get better resolution with bin 1x1 and some luck. :)
I'll have a look at Nemesis, and see what I can figure out. And for the moment, I'll go with reporting the combined magnitude but making a comment about it. At the very least, in a few weeks time, it should be fairly easy to measure the companion with high accuracy, when the target is clearly fainter (I've had no problems previously resolving them at quiescence).
Magnus
Glad I found this discussion. I had noticed that this star was not round on my images after it had dimmed. I zoomed in on a VSP chart and saw the close companion. It explained the oblong star. The second star seems to be as bright as the target and I can't separate them. Net result is that I deem my photometry to be incorrect and will not observe it until it explodes again.
Ray
Hi!
It seems that I can now resolve the two stars - the target is dim enough for that. I have to move the aperture manually in VPhot, but it seems to work quite nicely, as long as the images are good enough (too much wind yesterday so only B-band worked). So maybe you can too, Ray! Keep observing :)
Magnus
Thanks Magnus
Yes it can be done one at a time.
I have 2500 or so of another blended star that I have deleted and will redo when bored, and broke, some time in the future.
Ray