Advice for an Astro Photography Setup [ THE MOUNT ] -Choosing a GEM mount for a 14 to 18lb Newtonian for photometric astrophoto

Sat, 07/18/2020 - 16:51

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This is a branch of another post which makes an intro about my project and needs:

https://www.aavso.org/advice-astro-photography-setup-doing-science

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I am about to visit USA and I want to bring a telescope kit for making some photometric science, WITH BEST QUALITY / PRICE RATIO

MY BUDGET FOR MOUNT + OTA + CMOS CAMERA IS 2000-2200 USD

 IMPORTANT: bounce.gif

In this post, I will  mark the questions I WOULD like to be answered with this emoticon enlightened and italics, to make a little easier to identify my questions .. Of course, you are invited in all comments you like,but this are the questions I would made if this were a conversation.

MAIN GOALS: MAKING SCIENCE

  • Stellar astro photometry /astrophotography of Variable Stars, Supernovae, and Near Objects (NEO) asteroids, and other pinpoint objects
  • Astrometry or measurement of  position, of asteroids , NEOs, 
  • Occultation observation of stars by asteroids
  • Observations of far - faint comets
  • Other transient events
  • Precise photometry of exoplanet transits
  • Measurement of orbits of faint moons of outer system planets
  • Measurement of proper motion of fast moving stars
  • Parallax experiments

IMPORTANT! WHAT ARE NOT MY GOALS! .... (but I can do very rare if the gear allow to, btw)

  • Color artistic photography
  • Nebula photography
  • Direct observation by a viewfinder
  • Planetary
  • Solar
  • Near big comets

I want to make astro photography with photometry with a IMX178 based camera like the QHY 178M Monochrome Astronomy Camera # QHY178M, the ZWO ASI178MM or an Orion StarShoot G4 Monochrome

Is a small 1/1.8″ sensor with 2.4um pixels and very sensitive.

My mount will be a weight light reflector of 8" like the aluminium tube

My favourite choice is the STEEL GSO 8" F5 which is 22lbs with all accesories (https://agenaastro.c...lector-ota.html( but will need a heavy mount, if I choose GSO I think I will have to choose the 6" version which is around 16lbs.

 

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SIDENOTE: Size + weight

MY BUDGET FOR MOUNT + OTA + CMOS CAMERA IS 2000-2200 USD

My Loving mounts in the price range we have are the following

Sky Watcher EQM-35 Equatorial Go To Mount # S30500 
725USD  https://www.highpointscientific.com/sky-watcher-eqm-35-equatorial-goto-mount-s30500  

PROS: UNEXPENSIVE BUt good enough for not-heavy payloads. Is very beautiful, and not quite heavy. Good brand. Polar scope. Stepper motor(I think is better , what do you think? enlightened) . I think Robert Spellman has one... see above the photos of their setups... and He works fine with it (I think with a 6" f4 GSO). Also have a nice feature to mount a DSLR with an objective to make wide angle photo... and satellites photos (I do that)...

CONS: Above 15-17LBS will work not very well in astrophoto. It is difficult find a 8" OTA for this mount. Except the Celestron SC mentioned above ( C8-A XLT 8" f/10 SCT that is about 14lbs). Is not a very sturdy mount. But Is the less expensive GOOD option I think. Does it have an after sale good and warranty support, I have no references?enlightenedWhat do you think about my pros and consenlightenedCan you suggest me an 8" telescope suitable for this mount in my budgetenlightenediOptron CEM25P Equatorial Mount with 1.5" Tripod - 7100P
898USD https://www.highpointscientific.com/ioptron-cem25p-equatorial-mount-with-1-5-tripod-7100p
PROS:I love the very weightlight design and the management of the gravity center. Is a very nice design, and it sells in a very compact box or a nice (more cost) aluminium hard case. Is very precise and have a very nice precision gear.Less than +/- 10 arc seconds periodic error, GPS, very good polar scope. It is quite compact!!! to transport it.
CONS: More expensive but not impressive payload cappacity. I will be in the limit with most of the OTAs. It is a very fragile mount, you can broke if you dont manage properly. It is a very picky gear and there are cases of damage in the gears if you did not a very good equilibrium in the setup. Does it have an after sale good and warranty support, I have no references?enlightenedWhat do you think about my pros and cons enlightenedCelestron Advanced VX Mount with Dual Saddle Plate # 91519 
898USD  https://www.highpointscientific.com/celestron-advanced-vx-equatorial-mount-91519  
Celestron Advanced VX 8" Newtonian Telescope # 32062
1229USD 
https://www.highpointscientific.com/celestron-advanced-vx-series-8-quot-newtonian-go-to-telescope-32062    

PROS: Good brand, I hope a good aftersale support, am I right? enlightenedIf I but the kit with the 8" OTA I will have a perfect fit between the different parts. Also includes the eyefinder, the power connector, and the DC power cable... I think doesnt include the AC cable, are you sure? .  This mount HAS VERY GOOD REFERENCES for beginner astrophotography. And very good objective data in much performance annalisys https://www.darkframeoptics.com/blog/mount-performance-charts-1 . It has a lot of users, and a lot of opinion in the internet. Its one of the basic mounts. and can hold HEAVIER telecopes if y want to upgrade in a future... Also this mount avoid the meridian flip
CONS: The boxes where they ship this are HUGEundecided.gif , and the mount is very HEAVY . Perhaps is the best option, but if I cannot handle by myself in the transport from tecate/san diego to the tijuana airport. Im in a BIG problembawling.gif . Ive watched carefully the unboxing of this mount and the kit. IT DOESN INCLUDE the polar finder.

Did I say this boxes are  F K N G LARGE + HEAVY???? 
What do you think about this mount and my thoughts?enlightenedALTERNATIVES (PLAN B)

BUDGET PLAN in MOUNTS

I prefer the Sky Watcher EQM-35 but I've watched other options

Explore Scientific EXOS-2GT Computerized Mount with PMC-8 GoTo Electronics - Black - ES-EXOS2GTPMCT3-00

799USD https://www.highpointscientific.com/telescope-accessories/mounts/explore-scientific-exos-2gt-goto-equatorial-mount-with-pmc-8-electronics-exos2gtpmct3-00

It seems a budget one, but specs say it can hold heavier scopes than the EQM-35. Not very popular. But If i need a budget option for a 8" tube. is this an option?enlightened

Orion Sirius EQ-G Go-To German Equatorial Mount - 09995

1099USD  https://www.highpointscientific.com/orion-sirius-eq-g-go-to-german-equitorial-mount-9995 
IS a good reference, and a very good mount for entry level. But it is more expensive. Is an option if budget works...

Of course around 1000-1200USD mounts are a lot of very good options , like ieq30pro, HEQ5, CEM40, CGEM (But I think they are clearly over budget!!!!! .... what do you think about this "other alternatives"enlightenedjump.gif What do you think specifically about the Meade LX85 alternative?enlightenedSOME EXAMPLES. I WANT TO be based ON (copy)bigblush.gif  THESE SETUPS, OR SIMILAR ONES

 

I like very much two telescopes built by an amateur astronomer : Robert spellmanbow.gif , take a look. He takes wonderful B&W photos with this gear: 

It is a 150mm Astrograph f4 with the ORION STARSHOOT G4 and a Skywatcher EQM35-Pro

Thank very much for your advice

 

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This is a branch of another post which makes an intro about my project and needs:

https://www.aavso.org/advice-astro-photography-setup-doing-science

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